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    (The following is part of our weeklong Roe v. Wade Blog-a-thon)

    10. Laws against abortion do not stop abortion; they simply make it less safe. The number of women who get abortions does not change when it goes from being legal to illegal, or vice versa. The only thing that changes is more women die. Every year, 78,000 women die from unsafe abortions.

    9. If people want to stop abortion, they should turn to methods that do work. These include comprehensive sex education and safe, affordable contraceptives. Unfortunately, as illogical as it sounds, the people who are most against abortion are also often most against these preventative measures. If they truly wanted to reduce the number of abortions that occur, they would embrace these methods.

    8. The politicians “pro-lifers” so ardently support are only after one thing: self-interest. The majority of them are not “pro-life” because they agree with you; they are because they know you will continue to vote for them—and they know that making women remain pregnant not only takes away their power, but it also keeps them busy, in line, controlled, as well as a baking factory for their failing economy. The more people they have to rule over, the more they have to work and buy. Period.

    7. Religious ideology is no foundation for any law. Freedom of religion is guaranteed to any citizen in the United States; so why would the beliefs and values of one religion mandate actual laws for all citizens? It would be unfair, unjust and immoral. We do not have laws against eating fish, nor do we have laws that declare it is legal to sell one’s daughter, rape someone, or keep a person as a slave—all things that are promoted in religious text.

    6. Reproductive restrictions do not end with abortion. Many people also argue that contraception itself is wrong—another mainly-religious philosophy—and will deny women the protection they need based on this belief. There are legislative acts that allow actual pharmacists to deny women their birth control because of their beliefs; does this not violate the Hippocratic Oath, especially if thousands of women are on birth control because their very lives depend on it (see #2)? Also, since it is my belief that men should not rape women, if I were a pharmacist, would I have a right to deny a man his Viagra just in case he uses it to rape? You never know.

    5. Most people who are against abortion will never even become pregnant. If a law would never, in any circumstance, apply to a man, a man creating that law is preposterous. It is akin to men creating laws that ban women from voting, owning property, or showing skin in public—only much more deadly.

    4. Women who are raped or victims of incest should not be forced to carry out a pregnancy. Odds are that 1 in 3 women will be victims of sexual violence in her lifetime. Does this mean that 33% of all women should be forced to carry out a pregnancy from this violation? Considering how many people are killed during childbirth (see #2), should we allow this further risk to endured on top of what has already been done?

    Many would argue that these women could endure the pregnancy, spending nearly a year of her life simply re-living the rape and its effects over and over again, to give up a baby at the end of it for adoption. However, we all are aware of the fact that there are millions of unwanted children awaiting adoption as we speak who remain unclaimed; in fact, UNICEF estimates that there are 210 million orphans in the world right now. If they have no one willing to be their parent or guardian, why would another baby have a better chance?

    My theory is that people who spend so much time, energy, and money on anti-abortion campaigns should instead spend it on the precious children they say need saving so much—the ones who are alive and parentless. Imagine if all the funds spent on all those billboards and flyers and campaigns were instead either spent adopting or donating to places that are overrun with orphaned children… perhaps some actual credibility would be given to these people who claim to love children so much.

    Also, there is the fact of the matter of the more than one million homeless youth in America alone. The number one factor for a child being homeless is physical or sexual abuse at home. Perhaps these “child-lovers” should step in and care for these already-born children as well.

    3. Reproductive choice can be the only thing that stands between a woman and poverty. There is a reason that the 1 billion poorest people on the planet are female. In sub-Saharan Africa and west Asia, women typically have five to six children, which leaves them powerless to provide for not only their own families, but themselves.

    2. Reproductive choice can be the only thing that stands between a woman and DEATH. Women who face deadly consequences of a pregnancy deserve to choose to live. Teen girls, whose bodies are not yet ready for childbirth, are five times more likely to die. Not only do 70,000 girls ages 15-19 die each year from pregnancy and childbirth, but the babies that do survive have a 60% higher chance of dying as well.

    During my own pregnancy—which had been unexpected though joyful up to this point—I was horrified to learn that I had preeclampsia only 25 weeks in. While they were able to save both my daughter and me, she was born at 1 pound, three months premature, and was a medical miracle. Most babies at that weight do not survive; and if they do, they suffer severe complications—as do the mothers, including myself. I was then informed that my risk of it happening all over again was extremely high, and that if there were a next time I may not be so lucky. I am fortunate to have access to birth control, but many women—especially young ones—do not. Preeclampsia alone affects 10 to 15% of all women! There are hundreds of other complications that arise besides preeclampsia that can, and will, result in death as well.>

    1. Doctors, not governments, should always be the people to make medical recommendations and opinions. Would you allow the government to tell you if you could have a kidney transplant or a blood transfusion? Of course not. The fact that we even consider, let alone allow, governments to regulate a medical procedure is both illogical and foolish.

    • Euphorie

      I have to write a philosophy paper regarding abortion issues and came across your post. I have nothing to say besides that all your reasons are legitimately true. Especially when those who claim to be “pro-life” are men. How can one who can never experience such situations place such a strong influence on the topic? Of course; I consider my-self “pro-life” as well, but life isn’t a REAL life without given the choice and liberty to make such life-changing decisions right?

      Either way, thanks for the article! :)

      • St Kitts

        You should know that not all pro-lifers are men. Far from it- I serve on a Right to Life board where the President, the two paid employees, and over half the board are women. And if someone sees human beings being killed, isn’t it their duty to stand up and say something as a member of the human race, regardless of their gender?

        • Tay

          What about the men who want to keep their baby and the mother chooses abortion? A man has no say in it. A man deserves a voice. It takes two to make the baby therefore they should have a choice. Unless of course the mother’s life is at risk.

          • keepyourrosariesoffmyovaries

            A man does not have to carry the child for 9 months and risk DEATH.

            • tay

              I said UNLESS there are health risks for the mother of the child. If you don’t want to carry a child for nine monthes then you shouldn’t have unprotected sex.

            • Dido

              If the man acknowledges that it is his child and is willing to help the mother care for the child then yes he should absolutely have a say. It would not be fair to him.

            • zelch

              So because of this men can’t have an opinion? that is sexism, straight up. how can your logic be that because a woman carries the child she can decide if it lives or dies? How is that moral? I’m sorry but anyone to believe that is sick. Have you’re own views but don’t tell me i cant have mine because i’m a male.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              And to add to that, it’s a double-standard. And it’s not feminist at all, it’s male-chauvinist. Feminism stands for equal rights…and frankly, its a fulfilled movement. In the eyes of the law, and God, men and women are equal. That does NOT mean that women are MORE equal than men. It takes TWO to tango.

      • Dave

        Are you aware that the first president of the National Right to Life Committee was in fact a woman? Her name was Dr. Mildred Fay Jefferson, and she was the first African-American woman to graduate from Harvard Medical School.

        At any rate the argument that “most pro-lifers will never experience pregnancy” would be moot even if it were true. Even though I will never experience pregnancy, I ALREADY HAVE experienced fetushood!

        The issue isn’t women’s rights. Women’s rights are already recognized. Women have the right to vote, run for office, etc, and that’s a very good thing. The problem is that, as the laws currently stand, the rights of human beings during the first nine months of their lives are NOT recognized. So, as things stand, the woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body is the only consideration, so the conclusion seems to be a no-brainier. But if both are recognized as what they are–living human beings, equal in value if not in level of development–then the right to life of the unborn is seen to be in conflict with the woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body. Clearly a compromise of some sort is in order. And since the right to life of the unborn–the most fundamental of all rights–is at stake, the fetus shouldn’t be the one making concessions.

        • Alucard291

          Just no right to have control over their own body. I agree very fair. But they can vote in your pointless elections. And fail to get into any office.

          • Kara

            Except that it is not just the woman’s body.

          • Brett

            No biologist would say that a fetus is part of a woman’s body. So why would you say that it is? What are your qualifications to make that claim?

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              What are YOUR qualifications, Mr. Biologist? Cite your sources, don’t just make rash claims.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

            Now that would be the people’s fault, wouldn’t it? And they DO have control over their own body…they have the right to CHOOSE whether or not TO HAVE SEX, WHICH IS MEANT TO RESULT IN PREGNANCY IN EVERY SPECIES OF ORGANISM ON THIS EARTH.

      • CJOHNSON

        Should only black people be allowed an opinion on racism? Should only women people be allowed to have an opinion on women being allowed to vote?

        • Nicole

          for the racism, no, because you generalized racism, it could be against any raceso obviously it can’t just be blacks. But for women’s right to vote, hell yes. it’s WOMEN’s right to vote….so yes it should be a WOMAN’s opinion.

          • St Kitts

            lol I suggest you go look at the woman’s suffrage movement and then come back and tell me how it would have worked out for women if they decided that men were not allowed to have an opinion on votes for women.

            • keepyourrosariesoffmyovaries

              WOMEN WOULD HAVE NEVER LOST THE RIGHT TO VOTE IF MEN HADN’T TAKEN AWAY OUR RIGHTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. stupid stupid stupid

            • St Kitts

              Women never lost the right to vote because they never had it in the first place. I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, quit resorting to ad hominem arguments, and go look up the history of the suffragette movement. Oh, and I’m not Catholic and have no interest in your ovaries. Classy name though.

      • Brett

        Everyone who believes in liberty believes in the freedom of self-determination. But the key is the right to choose what? You have to put the object at the end of the verb (e.g. I choose “this” or “that”) before we can evaluate whether or not it is ethical. Freedom does not mean the right to do what I want. For example, I don’t think anyone thinks I should have the freedom to kill my neighbor because he bothers me. That would be license, not freedom. On the topic of pro-life vs. pro-choice many folks that are pro-choice forget the distinction. The law at this time gives a woman license to kill a human being.

    • St Kitts

      I notice that you failed to address the key issue- whether a fetus is a human being or not. That’s the crux of the matter. If it is, none of your arguments are valid because that child’s right to life outweighs any rights the mother has (excepting her own right to life).

      • Stupid fucking faggot

        A fetus is not born, therefore not a U.S citizen, and not entitled to any rights at all. It is property, thus why it is called a fetus. Its like an organ. Property.

      • Ella

        Do you personally believe that the fetus is a human being? I do, and I completely agree with your thinking. These points do not address the real issue. It’s cautiously skirting around it.

        • St Kitts

          I do. And here is the simple reason why: a fetus is obviously the same species as any person after birth, therefore a fetus is a member of the human race. As a member of the human race, it ought to have the exact same rights as any other member of the human race- first and foremost, the right to life.

          • Freethinking

            Regarding early term abortion, at that point it is nothing more than a mass of cells. Saying that destroying it is murder because it has the potential to be a child is basically saying that using a condom is also murder.

            • Dave

              1. That “mass of cells” is a unique human individual, the like of which has never been seen before, nor will ever be seen again.
              2. That “mass of cells” has a heartbeat at 21 days post conception, and detectible brain waves at 40 days post conception. By 56 days post conception, 90% of the structures the organism will have as an adult are already present. Calling the unborn a “mass of cells” is grossly misleading at best. At worst, it is downright diabolical.

              3. It doesn’t have the potential to be a child, it IS a child at an extremely early age of development.
              4. Unlike semen, that “mass of cells” is a distinct organism directing its own course of development. Oocytes and spermatoza are mere parts of organisms, albeit parts dedicated to the production of new organisms.

            • Gissette

              Dave, I just want to quote you for a second, “That mass of cells” is a unique human individual, the like of which has never been seen before, nor will ever be seen again.”

              It is interesting that you say that because, yes while it’s true that cells are living things, it still doesn’t take away from the fact that they are NOTHING but cells. To say that those cells are a “unique human individual” is biologically wrong. Looking at your other arguments, it’s obvious that you have NO real knowledge of prenatal development at all. You are speaking about those tiny mass of cells as if they are already a child. That is NOT true. Those mass of cells are only a bases for what “can” be created. Until then, they have a LONG way to go. If those “mass of cells” were indeed a real human individual, then when a woman miscarried, those so-called human individuals would be saved and would be humans. But because cells die early (because they are not human and do not have the same biological capabilities that we have) they can’t survive!

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            • Random

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            • Jordan

              Okay, so if I’m reading this right, it’s not a living person until it breathes of it’s own accord? How do you determine that a mass of cells with a heart beat and brain waves are part of the parent organization?

            • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

              It depends on the placenta for all nourishment. It can not survive separately.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              …I think you’ve got it backwards, Gisette. What qualifies as unique, human, and individual?

              Well…unique means, basically, not the same. That “fetus” (unborn infant), has DNA which is completely unique of both its father and mother, which also, in the fact that this infant can be autonomous outside the mother’s care relatively soon, means it is an individual. And to answer any argument about this being the “woman’s” body…tell me, is the woman the one being eviscerated and scooped out? No, it’s the infant.

              And as for human…tell me, Gisette, what DNA does this fetus have? Let’s be frank. It’s not dog DNA, or pig DNA, or reptile DNA, or spider DNA. It’s HUMAN DNA, because a human can only produce another human being.

              On a sidenote…I’m sure that you would not have liked to have been aborted yourself, so why deny the right to life to anyone that could have it?

            • CJOHNSON

              Everything living is just a “mass of cells”.

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            • Random

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            • Rebecca M.

              Incorrect. This “mass of cells” is not just “the potential” of a child, it IS a child. Each of a man’s sperm is not a human baby. How do you even compare a man’s sperm and a woman’s fertilized egg?

            • Jrobi507

              “Most fertilized eggs are spontaneously
              miscarried. Development into a baby is by no means guaranteed. Neither a sperm
              and egg separately, nor a fertilized egg, is more than a potential baby
              or a potential adult. So if a sperm and egg are as human as the
              fertilized egg produced by their union, and if it is murder to destroy a
              fertilized egg–despite the fact that it’s only potentially a baby–why
              isn’t it murder to destroy a sperm or an egg?” – by Carl
              Sagan and Ann Druyan

            • EraEye

              Because a sperm and an egg are two different cells which individually can’t become a child while a fertilized egg is already a union of a sperm and egg cell and by then certain biological changes start to happen and it can become a child. It is the first step on it’s way to become a human person. It already has a DNA unique to its parents.

            • Brendan Flood

              It got it’s DNA from its parents. Half from mom, half from dad. Until it is ready to be born, then it is not a baby, it is a fetus, a clump of cells.

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            • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

              Every cell of your body has your DNA. But every cell is not a person. Neither is a zygote or embryo.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              Ummm…that’s just the thing. A zygote and an embryo have their OWN DNA.

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            • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

              I disagree. It is NOT a child.

            • Harold

              You obviously are one stupid dumbass. It is idiots just like you that is the problem. It’s just too bad someone didn’t suck you mass of cells out of your mother’s pussy and sent that down her leg along with the rest of your father’s load.

            • Brendan Flood

              Harold, Shut up.

              Also, the fetus is a mass of cells, and it is alive, but why is it your choice as to whether or not someone has to have a baby?

              Yes, all the replies are going to say “It’s their fault for having sex in the first place.” And I say, yeah, true. But people make mistakes.

              Another thing is the word potential. It seems to me that people who are pro-life use this a whole lot. I have the “potential” to become the richest person in the world, but that doesn’t mean I will. They have the potential to become a human being also means that it isn’t already a human being, so you’re contradicting yourself.

              And one last thing: I think it’s hilarious how every single comment on this string is a reply to St Kitts’ comment.

            • St Kitts

              You are a mass of cells, and you are alive, but why would that mean you have a right to life? I’ll tell you why. Its because human beings have a a right to live under the law, and an unborn child is just as much a human as a born child. You have a right to life, and so do they.
              So when you say “why is it your choice as to whether or not someone has to have a baby?” my answer would be that it is the moral imperative of any human being with a shred of decency to speak up for an individual which is manifestly human yet has no right to live under the law.

            • Brendan Flood

              Well said, and I believe that that is completely correct, except for the fact that there are 2 people involved in the abortion. The mother AND the unborn fetus. The mother’s life is always going to come before the fetus, everyone agrees on that (only if she will die if the baby would be born).

              But the mother is the one who has to spend 9 months incubating the baby. If she wants to have the baby, she wouldn’t mind at all. But if she doesn’t want to have it, she would not want to waste those nine months on a baby she will probably just give up for adoption.

              Now, my mom was adopted because her mom wasn’t able to care for her because she was too young, so I’m not saying that pro-choice is completely wrong and evil, but I think that mothers should get a choice on whether or not they want to devote 9 months of their lives on a baby that they won’t keep.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              …did that baby ask to be born to a selfish woman that had sex without any intention of following through with the very PURPOSE of that act?

            • lana harris

              Please, please tell me that you have only had sex to procreate. Or that you’ve never had sex. You’re a disgusting womanizer, that’s the most primitive and closed minded response I’ve read.

            • lana harris

              How dare you blame a woman for an act that obviously involves two people, and an outcome that is likely to be ignored by one party. And who is so old fashioned to honestly think that people are going to restrain from sex because its strictly fr procreation… Someone that is willfully ignorant for the sake of their argument.

            • http://www.facebook.com/kate.kantcheva Kate Kantcheva

              If you are such an advocate for the mass of cells to live and become a baby…maybe you should go adopt all the kids that are given up for adoption…that might help the 250 million kids that have no parents becuase they were unwanted, abandoned, or just given up at birth. IT IS THREE times more cruel to abandon a baby and leave to live a misery of a life as an orphan than to abandon a mass of cells that is not human ….

            • St Kitts

              Well I’m 19 so I don’t think I’d be the best father at this point. however, my little brother is 10 years old and my parents fostered him since age 0 and adopted him at age 3.. and I am so thankful to his biological mother for not aborting him. ibtotally agree with you… anyone who opposes abortion should be prepared to adopt a child

            • hiloiphilbob

              how do you know, did you interview the dead,unborn children?d

            • lana harris

              Thank you, Kate, perfectly stated.

              I’m stupidly admitting to such a crowd that I recently suffered through an abortion. I had a birth control failure, to which I promptly took plan b but I still got pregnant. It was 4 weeks, barely an embryo, the doctor said she could only see a yolk sac on the sonogram.

              I am a college graduate, I work two jobs and I still only have 23$ to my name. I sometimes have to skip whole days of eating because I can’t afford it. If I went through the pregnancy, the fetus would have serious risks. Not to mention that I wouldn’t have the heart to just put it in an orphanage, so I’d try to raise it on a poor mans wage, thus perpetuating the cycle.

              I very consciously said “suffered” because I’m in serious mental instability because of my decision, but to most people I’m a murderer. But I proudly stand by my decision. I won’t ever bring another child in this world, there are already too many abandoned.

            • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

              You think it is a human being. But that is just your opinion. Most likely you couldn’t visually pick out a human embryo from a chicken or pig embryo. It takes more than DNA to be a person.

            • Nikki

              “More than DNA,” you say? What exactly “more” are you talking about? What “more” do you have that an unborn child does not?

            • http://twitter.com/harrygirlprobs_ rachel

              People have thoughts, feelings, experiences, and brainwaves. The question is not when does life begin, but when does that life become a human life. There is a lot more to humanity than just DNA and the potential to form into a human. Embryos can not feel pain, and don’t have any brain waves until the 27th week of pregnancy. They could not live independently from the mother, which links the mother and the embryo permanently and makes it her choice whether or not she wants to devote nine months or the rest of her life to a child she might not be able to physically, emotionally, or financially support. Adoption can’t always be the answer, either, due to mass amounts of children who are in orphanages and foster homes that haven’t been adopted. Also, a lot of women couldn’t emotionally deal with giving up a baby that formed inside of her and was the main part of her life for nine months. Just another point, I’m sure you pro-life people wouldn’t all be so against hunting. What makes killing a minuscule bundle of cells so much worse than shooting an animal that can feel pain and have thoughts and experiences? Just because of a difference in genetic make up?
              Also, I’d just like to say that everyone’s entitled to their opinions but if you’re a male you couldn’t ever understand and/or have a relevant opinion. Abortion affects the mother’s life, not yours in the slightest. The embryo really doesn’t have a life to be affected, in terms of the neurological view.

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            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              …it’s not potential to become a human being. It IS a human being, simply by merit of its DNA. And the remedy for a mistake is never to kill someone else.

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            • St Kitts

              Could you point out to me the magical moment of transformation between human and non-human?

            • Brendan Flood

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            • Random

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            • The Godless Liberal

              I agree, a foetus is no more human than a sperm. The majority of pro-life arguments can also be used for sex cells.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              …not really. Those sex cells have your own DNA. The baby has its own unique DNA. Obviously you don’t know much about how reproduction works.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              …that’s just the thing. It’s not got the POTENTIAL to become a child…it IS one. And a mass of cells is a tumor. A mass of cells that possesses the blueprint of a human being is HUMAN. Know your science.

            • psnaj15

              im not a scientist on this subject or anything, but something that has “potential to be a child” is not a child. its just sperm. when the sperm fertilizes the females egg, then we got something

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          • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

            A zygote or embryo is not a fetus.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              Okay then, what’s the difference, since you seem to be the authority on definitions, here? That’s the same as saying that an adolescent and a toddler aren’t human. Zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, toddler, teen…they’re not definitions that define whether or not we’re human. They’re stages of human development.

            • Amira

              Actually, the definition of zygote is LITERALLY a mass of cells. The zygote is formed when the egg is still travelling in the oviduct, it hasn’t even implanted into the uterus yet. Have you never taken Biology?

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      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000679988716 Lisa Shields

        Actually, the only question is who should live or die? Women are not disposable. In the final analysis, if you accept that a fetus has a “right to life”, you are saying that women do NOT. I disagree.

        • CJOHNSON

          They are not saying that women do not have a right to live. Do you think that a mother should be allowed to kill her three-month-old baby to save her life?

          Are children disposable? If you think so, that is a problem.

          • Nicole

            your question is impossible to answer. Because if the mother does not save her own life, she’ll die….and along with her the fetus. the fetus is not independent of the mother – it’s health is directly dependent on the mother’s health. so it’s kind of a catch-22. if the fetus lives, the mother dies….and then the fetus will then die on it’s own. if the mother lives, the fetus dies.
            is it better to lose two lives, or one?

            • St Kitts

              Well it seems as if we agree. All that you are arguing for is the right to abortion in the incredibly tiny proportion of cases where an abortion will save the life of the mother. I totally agree that abortion should be allowed in the case of the life of the mother. In the other 99% of cases, however, abortion should not be allowed.

            • Liz

              Ah… actually, I don’t agree. Please, St Kitts, don’t be seduced by this argument.
              For example, in many of these “life of the mother” cases, it turned out to be an ectopic pregnancy, did it not? These pregnant women were told they needed to proceed with an abortion, or else die, and there HAVE been examples in medical history where this has been proven to be inaccurate.

            • Gretchen

              Please stop using your religious beliefs as the foundation for a medical degree. There are a myriad of different examples in “medical history” where the fetus endangers the life of the mother, whether from cancer, HIV, or any other number of valid medical reasons. When you support bills that stipulate no abortion for any reason are you able to foresee the medical of every mother cause if “medical history” shows us anything, it is that pregnancy has the potential to go wrong all the time. Secondly, do you know what an ectopic pregnancy is, because it is when the fertilized cell implants outside of the uterus where they is not enough room for the cell to divide and grow into a fetus resulting in bleeding and ruptures (as most usually occur in the fallopian tubes). Except for a RARE few, most result in non-viable pregnancies and if left untreated, half will abort themselves and the rest can severely endanger the mother.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              There are a tiny percentage of pregnancies that actually threaten the survival of the mother. And pregnancy is what SEX IS FOR, by the way. Don’t have it if you’re not willing to follow through with its product. And then there’s the Hippocratic Oath, which all people with a “Medical Degree” are sworn to take. Do no harm…how many women died because of Kermit Gosnell’s botched abortions?

            • Brendan Flood

              I disagree with your statistics.

            • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

              A woman was recently denied an abortion in Ireland. The baby had to die first. After the fetus died she got the abortion, but she died anyway. It was too late to save her.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              That woman had a prior blood condition.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              …the fetus can survive outside the mother. Science has proved it. They are two individual entities.

          • Brendan Flood

            No killing children is awful and horrible. But a fetus is not a child. It is a cluster of cells that is BECOMING a human, but NOT YET! If it threatens the mother’s life, then it is much less important than the mother.

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          • Brendan Flood

            yes the mother should be allowed to kill the undborn fetus to save her life. Se can (hopefully) have more children, and also if she dies, the baby will probably die too.

        • Sarah

          Your logic is incredibly skewed. A fetus AND its mother both have a right to live. How could you get such a flawed conclusion from St Kitt’s words?

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        • Alfred E. Newman

          Neither should die- but taking the life of a baby that cannot protect itself is not the answer.

          • Brendan Flood

            You do understand that we’re debating whether or not the fetus even IS a baby, right?

            So please don’t post things just for the sake of posting them.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              This coming from someone that spends all the time screaming at a bunch of internet trolls as if they’ll actually listen to them. Don’t post gtfo just for the sake of your rage, hypocrite.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000679988716 Lisa Shields

            And letting women, who might be mothers of OTHER children die is also not “an answer”.

        • Brendan Flood

          the problem with that is that pregnancy is not some fatal condition, and anti-abortion people say that the only way they would permit abortion is if the mother’s life is in danger.

          • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

            It can be a fatal condition.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              So can breathing, your heartbeat, and pretty much anything you do. Anything can go wrong during ANY biological process.

        • Lisa Shields

          Seriously Lisa… that’s terrible logic. BOTH have a right to life. America is flooded with a generation that is making decisions their parents never did. I guess we’re pretty good at pioneering civil liberties aren’t we? Everything else we do is working out great!

          • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

            Abortion is not new. It has been happening for thousands of years. Legalizing it has made it safe. Women died having abortions. Legal or illegal abortions will not be stopped.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              Women died having abortions in Kermit Gosnell’s legal facility. How does that add into your argument?

        • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

          …how does that make even one iota of sense?

      • Brendan Flood

        She’s taking the position that it’s not, as seen in the title.

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      • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

        A zygote is alive, but it is not a sentient creature or “a person.” It is not self aware. It doesn’t have a brain.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

          And there we have it. It is alive.
          Since when has being self-aware decided personhood? If your grandmother becomes a vegetable, she’s still a person under the law. Once again, your logic is flawed.

    • Melanie

      Hi, I was wondering if Pheo152, you could give me your name. I want to use your article in my research essay. But I feel like my professor won’t take me serious if I use ‘Pheo152′ as my person of choice.

    • Herous

      9/10 logical fallacies. very very bad arguments

      • Jeff

        Failure to explain what the fallacies are makes your argument a fallacy.

        • Logical

          “The sky is blue”, but I’m not going to tell you why…
          Incorrect?

    • CJOHNSON

      Nobody’s lives depend on using birth control. If becoming pregnant would be deadly, a more reliable alternative to getting an abortion or using birth control would be to not have sex!

      • Nicole

        then there are those who are in happy marriages who are ready to have kids, get pregnant and then go through complications where the mother will die by carrying the fetus to full-term and they can’t go back and NOT get pregnant so what do they do?

        according to you, no one should get pregnant so abortions won’t be needed.

        • St Kitts

          No that’s not what he is saying at all. He is saying that in the cases where people don’t want to have kids, then not having sex would be a good way to avoid it. And once again, if it comes down to life of the mother and you have to choose between two lives then abortion should be allowed. However, that is the ONLY scenario when abortion should be permissible. A child, born or unborn, has the same worth as the mother. And a mother has the same worth as her child, born or unborn. Therefore, abortion should only be allowed in the case of life of the mother.

          • Alucard291

            Mother has same worth as 2 cells inside her body. Thats epic logic. So you would prefer that women would abort children via a kick to the stomach? Because they will. Just as they have been doing through the centuries.

            Oh and where did you learn to portray your opinions as written truths. Most secular countries have long ago decided on reasonable guidelines of a timefram pastwhich a fetus is considered to be a full living creature and in most cases destruction of a collection of non intelligent cells is considered normal. Like I don’t know? Removing the appendix?

            In fact you may notice how weak the anti-abortion argument is in western europe. That in large part is also due to the fact that europe has much fairer equality stance between men and women which allows a woman to choose what she can do with her own body. As opposed to your sexist land of the unequal and the unfree.

            • St Kitts

              Start at the moment before birth. Is the fetus a human being at that point? If you say no, then you’re insane. If you say yes, then work backwards and tell me the magical moment of transformation where an unborn child suddenly loses their right to life.

            • Brendan Flood

              This is not the same St Kitts, don’t cop other people’s names please.

            • Brendan Flood

              Alucard, you are some fan of hellsing who obviously cares for this subject, but don’t really know how to participate in a non-patronizing/arrogant/pricky way.

              Also the reason why it’s weaker in Europe is because they’re not nearly as religious as the US is. There’s nothing wrong with people’s religious beliefs being part of their argument; all they have to do is win.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              Europe, I’m sad to say, has proven to be a cesspool of stupidity.

              And that zygote isn’t two cells, moron. It’s one.

              Unequal? Unfree? Perhaps to voice opinions that differ from yours, in your mind…if you love Europe so much, get out of here.

    • CJOHNSON

      “Pro-lifers” are not necessarily “child-lovers.” They just believe that children should be allowed to live, as their name suggests. They could be 80-year old women that hate children, but they believe that people should not kill.

      • Alucard291

        It is a dark and horrifying world where an existing intelligent living creature has less value than a tiny collection of biological matter inside the body of the said living creature.

        But that’s what happens when your values are based on medieval morality system combined with beliefs imprinted by a “holy book” that allows and even encourages specific murder but discourages murder in general.

        • M. T. Lovato

          We’re bringing this back to whether or not your “tiny collection of biological matter” is a living creature or not.

          And your condescension, which is pretty much nothing more than ad hominem, is no way to defend a topic. Nor does it do anything to assist in your trying to reach a potential audience.

        • Alfred E. Newman

          So Alucard- when is it alright to kill the baby? 5 weeks? 12 weeks? How about 21 weeks? It is a dark world when we decide to kill those who cannot defend themselves. What is next, the mentally retarded? Oh, how about those on ventilators?

        • Brendan Flood

          You make the assumption that everyone who is pro-life is doing it for religious reasons. No, some people are pro-life because they think that killing a baby is wrong (although it’s up for debate if fetus is a baby at all).

          Also, people’s reasons for abortion are not always because the mother’s life is in danger. There are financial reasons, and the fact that it’s 9 months of a mother’s life wasted on a baby that she doesn’t even want.

          Also, don’t act like some know-it-all prick. It’s very annoying and people would take you more seriously if you did.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

          …is it? So what about all these animals we’re protecting? How are they worth more than we are, so much so as to be protected by law?

          …you’re a disgrace to the very name of a fictional character, you know.

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    • nahaaa

      Yes, a fetus is a human being a tiny baby, but many will never understand many reasons, rape and incest are not the only reasons for abortion. Perhaps it is the lack of knowldedge, inexperience, etc. wether the choice is right or wrong, it is them who will go trhough it, abortion will be never ending. Every woman has a choice over her body and every woman knows that a fetus is alive and not only a mass of tissue, but they are too afraid to accept it because of the inside pain it provokes and because they want to feel like what they have done is not wrong. We all know abortion is wrong, but until you live through someones life, you have no say and will never understand. pro life or pro choice you have your reasons and maybe if you are pro life some day you’ll be pro choice and if you’re pro choice you’ll end up being pro life.

    • Ashley

      “Life begins at conception.” Individuals opposing this view have been
      known to state the fact that the fetus is not a human life so it is alright to
      destroy it. I believe those idiots tend to miss the fact you are taking
      away the human life before it has even formed. Thus, taking away the unborn
      baby’s right to life.

    • Erin

      This is a bunch of justifications. Whatever to make you feel better. Our society has come to the point of eye rolling when the word “God” is brought up, but there is every bit as much physical evidence that he exists than he doesn’t. You can want to believe what you want, but it doesn’t really matter what you believe. It only matters what is actual truth. So you can listen to your science professors and your neighbors telling you God and religion are yesterday, and that it’s okay to abort your fetus, but when you stand at the judgment seat of of God, all of your justifications will not even reach your lips. They will be nothing. You will have a perfect knowledge of your guilt. The only way to know if God exists and if he cares if you have an abortion, is to ask him in prayer. If you have never sincerely asked him if he is there, there is no way you can know he is not.

      • Bobby

        So what is the truth? Truth will always stay subjective and just like you said, “you can want to believe what you want, but it doesn’t really matter what you believe.” How do you know that God exists and how do you know that your version, or your interpretation of God is correct over the other ones? The only reason that you believe in christianity or whatever form of religion is because you were TOLD or taught about it. God may exist, but everything that is written or said about God is complete bull shit written by people. The truth is that bible has been influenced by many other sources and have been edited before the 4th century. The fact is you will never know for sure or anyone else for that matter. Basing your logic on religious belief is idiotic and you should be able to separate your religious belief from a topic such as this, especially when you are trying to prove a point.

        • Erin

          If you’ve never asked, you can never know. I have, and I know. And I know you don’t believe it and won’t believe it ever, because you don’t really want to know.

        • Erin

          So because people have edited the Bible, God does not exist. Because people believe different things, and therefore truth SEEMS subjective, there must not actually be any truth, just a bunch of people’s opinions. Because I was taught to believe in God must mean that he actually does not exist, and that I am just a blind follower. Because you (and many people for that matter) have not asked God if he exists, this means that no one has, and no one really knows. And if we think we have and we do know, we are delusional. This does not make any sense.

          And to answer your last point about basing logic on religion is idioc, I just thought others had already done a good job pointing out the law. If the fetus is a baby, it doesn’t matter if the “mother is important” or if “men created the law” or anything else. The law is to protect all people. That is well-said. The logic and law of pro-life is so obvious that those who don’t believe it I am certain only do so for selfish, justification reasons. I just wanted to point out that there is more to this than logic. But of course, it’ll be after your dead until you really see.

          • Erin

            Sorry, Bobby, I just realized I didn’t read your comment carefully. You said God may exist, but things that were written about God are bogus, so we can’t really know for sure. I just want to say that IF God does exist, (and that is something everyone, no matter what they believe, must acknowledge is a possibility), the stakes are very high with the abortion issue. Therefore, I suggest that everyone not take their chances and guess. Just ask God (in SINCERE prayer) and find out if he is there, and if he cares if you have an abortion. As simple as that.

    • jane

      If you don’t like abortion, then don’t get one.

      • St Kitts

        If you don’t like murder, don’t murder anyone. If you don’t like stealing, don’t steal from anyone.
        “I notice that everyone who is for abortion is already alive.” Ronald Reagan

        • Fail Whales

          “Facts are stupid things.” – Reagan

        • Nicole

          Funny thing is, some people LIKE to murder and steal…and they actually DO it.

          • St Kitts

            My point was that saying “If you don’t like abortion, dont have one” has the same logic as what I said about murder and theft- in other words, none

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    • jane

      we kill our pets and flake off skin cells every day. we pour billions of dollars into systemized slaughter the government calls “war”. there is no such thing as pro-life.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

        Neither is there such a thing as pro-choice, then. I’m pro-choice in the term of wanting women TO CHOOSE LIFE!!!

    • jane

      if a woman is given the ability to create life, why shouldn’t she be able to end it too? forcing women to carry children to term is an undue labor and causes much more misery and poverty for both mother and child than the other option

      • EraEye

        Then she should have been more responsible in the first place. Unless the mother’s labor risks her life that may end up killing the mother and the child, abortion isn’t an option. Killing someone for your rights isn’t right.

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    • Ben

      This is a ridiculous post. No evidence for po choice was given. Only false assumptions on those that are pro life. A child is alive at conception, which makes abortion murder. Is murder really just religious ideology?

    • Em

      It’s not an opinion.. science has proved that life begins at conception. 35,000,000 babies have been aborted since the 1970s. 1% of all abortions are results of rape.. not 33%. Huge difference. These arguments are avoiding reality, and while there is a huge disadvantage for the woman (and for her I do feel sorry) no child should be ripped out of the womb and cut to pieces or burned by chemicals. I hate to be graphic but there is no pretty way of aborting a baby. If it has life, you have to kill it to get rid of it. Also, there are one to two million Americans waiting to adopt each year.

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    • dcpwnsu18

      omg. All it is is a mass of cells. stop complaining no one cares its going to always be legal. and should be. Any women should have the choice to have a kid or not. Wether you believe that or not it doesnt matter your not gonna stop abortion.

      • Brett

        “All it is is a mass of cells.” Is that based on research you did? Since you’re talking about “cells” I think the best folks to ask would be biologists. So do some research and see if the overriding consensus among biologists is that “all it is is a mass of cells.” I used to think like you until someone challenged me to research the facts. You’ll find it very informative to hear what biologists say are facts, not opinions.

    • Pro-Life

      I think I’m going to throw up now.

    • Coco

      I want to say something, and I hope that I’m not ripped apart. Not that I mind, but still; I’d like to believe that some of you lot are actually reasonable human beings.

      I am 18 years old. A month ago I was hospitalized by my parents because of an ongoing phase of depression that had begun to take a physical toll on me.

      On my first day at the hospital, I met a girl a year younger than me. She’d been admitted a few days before, for the same reason. It turned out upon arrival that she was a month pregnant.

      I spoke to her three weeks later and found out she’d had an abortion. Tell me, in her frame of mind, could you have expected her to react differently? She was already prepared to kill herself.

      Women and men alike can say what they want about abortion being morally wrong, scientifically abhorrent… it doesn’t matter. To me, this opinion speaks of a society that is simply unwilling to think about abortion in clear terms and measure all criteria evenly. Abortion will always be an out for women who are terrified at the prospect of pregnancy – what if parents kick their pregnant teens out, leaving these girls (as well as their unborn children) completely helpless? What does that accomplish at all? I know for certain that if I became pregnant at a young age, my parents would disown me.

      Historically speaking, abortion has been accomplished in any manner imaginable: women have thrown themselves down stairs, drunk enough to kill the fetus, even killed themselves. Oftentimes, after an unwanted child is born, it will endure years and years of abuse, physical or emotional. And if an adoptive mother can’t be found for an infant, it will simply grow into the foster system. Statistically speaking, none of these things are safe.

      I do not see abortion as a question of morality at all. It’s as logical as any medical procedure, although there will always be a percentage of women who are, shall we say, irresponsible and cruel enough to want to ‘get rid’ of a fetus they see as a nuisance. But if asked whose life – even whose health – I value more, my answer will always be the mother’s.

      I have no doubt that the girl I met would have killed herself had she not been granted an abortion. Be as nasty as you want, say she made those decisions to get herself into that position. Then do me a favor and imagine what it would be like to have someone call you so deplorable. She did the sensible thing. An unborn fetus in the first trimester is entirely dependent on its mother’s health… it can hardly be called a separate entity.

      In any case, abortion will remain legal, and I hope if you’re fighting against it, you have a better reason than ‘It’s wrong.’ Wake up. It’s 2012.

      • Zelch

        So in order to save a female’s emotional health kill the child. as you have seen if you read even a little bit of the posts on here you would realize that people have many more than “It’s wrong.” Saying that it’s 2012 wake up isn’t an argument, what that is, is using the time period to describe what is considered morally correct. you just sound silly. I’m going to go ahead and say that if that girl hadn’t had sex she wouldn’t have been pregnant. I’m not blaming her, I’m saying why does the child need to pay for the choices of someone too inconsiderate to think of the consequences of her actions.

        • Dido

          Having the child live would not be the best thing to do either. It would cause strain emotionally and financially on the mother because taking care of a child is definitely not an easy task. Abstinence is also quite laughable because in this day and age there is no such thing, since most adolescents are sexually active at a certain age. The more plausible way to prevent abortion is by educating young women about sex and taking advantage of contraceptives which is why in Western Europe abortion rates are much lower than the States because they have a wider knowledge of contraceptives and sex in general. In my opinion the woman should have the choice of whether she wants to terminate the pregnancy or not. Nobody else should determine what goes on in her uterus, or any part of her body, as a matter of fact.

          • Dido

            What I find is ironic is that in Western Europe the laws are extremely liberal concerning abortions yet they have the lowest abortion rates :)

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            • Brendan Flood

              apparantly people who are capable of having a life, which does not include you, I might add

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            • Dido

              Thank you :)

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              At last, someone finally starves the troll to their face…differing opinion or not, well done.

          • mark

            Change these things. It is better to learn to abstain or give a child up for adoption than to kill them in the whom. You can not talk about human rights in one case and then take the rights from babies in the whom.
            Also, as a man, it is funny to say that I should not have a say in the matter. Should I sit back and let sexually depraved women set up laws that do actually destroy the culture in which I live just because they say I should not have an opinion because I can not get pregnant. Should I sit back and allow women to make sandwiches out of their children just because they say my opinions don’t matter? Really, how far away from dismembering your own children is cannibalism? Abortion should be game over for these people, not a license continue life in such a way as to risk more abortions. Many women have several abortions in a lifetime. That is fact. Many women who have had abortions want other women to see it as a birth control option. Abortion destroys life. Culture is made up of life. Culture is destroyed by Abortion. Culture is not healed by abortion, it is not built by abortion, it is not sustained by abortion. Abortion destroys culture. I am a man in this world, and I don’t want children murdered in my town, in the next town all the way across this nation. Planned parenthood thrives on abortion money. To say that prolife politicians serve special interests. Which ones? How do they really collect money off of being prolife more than abortion clinics? I just don’t see that one.

            • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

              I completely agree.

            • Dido

              About that, I didn’t mean that men should not have a say in the matter, my apologies. The man if it is his child should get a say in the matter.

        • Brendan Flood

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        • FreedomofChoice

          oh my god shut the fuck up and get your stuck up nose out of your bible for 2 fucking seconds. what that girl does with her life is none of your nosy ass business, stop trying to control everyone! you’re controlling a personal choice, are you not? you’re controlling a personal choice, are you not? make any arguement on the science and mentality you want, BUT YOU ARE FUCKING CONTROLLING SOMEONE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW’S PERSONAL LIFE CHOICE, ARE YOU NOT

          • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

            Since when has Zelch even quoted the bible, you liberal moron? and do you think that baby’s life isn’t being controlled in being aborted?

        • mark

          Not to mention that these children grow into adults who may or not value life. How about survivors of abortion? Here in 30 years, we will have a whole collection of adults who survived abortion, and they will speak out about this culture of death. And then people will see how wrong it is.

        • http://www.facebook.com/margie.miller.180 Margie Miller

          I guess you would rather she killed herself. An embryo is not a child. I find the level of sensitivity of anti-abortion activist to be very low.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

            The same could be said for the other side of the coin, Margie. But of course, you aren’t willing to flip the coin over to the real side.

        • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

          Zelch, you are awesome. :)

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        • Brendan Flood

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      • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

        …what a world it is, when people cite the year as being good enough of a reason to slaughter a helpless infant in what should be its first sanctuary…

    • Brianna

      Female pro-lifer here. Really your only argument that stands is your argument about women who have health issues during pregnancy. In this instance, I would favor abortion. In all other instances, I consider it to be a highly unethical practice. I am not a religious person, so the accusation that my being pro-life is based on religious convictions is invalid. Also, your argument that pro-life politicians are trying to keep women in the home to be controlled is simply naive and ludicrous. Your position really is baseless. I have yet to see a convincing pro-choice argument.

    • Harold

      Why is it that we can legally endorse the wholesale slaughter of innocents, that is no different than Herod’s atrocities, but yet assisted suicide and/or euthanasia is rebuked!!!!!!!! You have on one hand a burgeoning life and future vs a terminal painful existence that is ready to leave the planet? This is total insanity….. Why is it unreasonable that if a man or woman brings about an unwanted pregnancy twice that they are summarily sterilized. That alone, would eliminate a vast amount of unwanted children.

    • Rocker

      Funny how Jane Roe is now Pro-Life

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    • Wall

      Some of these reasons seem to be rather ignorant.. 1 in 3 women will be a victim of sexual violence, that does NOT mean that 33% of women will become pregnant from that so called sexual violence and be forced to carry out a child because of the sexual violence. Abortions accounting for rapes, and life threatening situations to the mother represent a mere 1% of all abortions. And before all of you baby killers try to argue that a fetus is not a human being all you have to do is look at the stages of child development while inside a mother’s womb. At 8 weeks a child is scientifically considered a “fetus”, at this point in time a child already has eyes, eye lids, a nose, a mouth, and a tongue. At ten weeks a CHILD (still considered a “fetus” to the people who rationalize the killing of innocent human beings) can make bodily movements(A time period in which a woman can still have an abortion). I believe it is quite sad that there are on average 1.5 million abortions per year and that the deadliest place in the world to reside is now a mothers womb. I am not here to be a shovenist, but some women will take it that way because they are just gung-ho since the 1920′s about every right they can get their hands on. The law may say it is legal to perform abortions in this country but IS IT RIGHT? Screw the law for one minute here and actually consider whether it is right to have an abortion. The law nowadays helps too many people rationalize things being “the right thing” when it truly is not, a law is nothing but a regulation to maintain order within the American population.

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    • Jeff

      I was looking for real points of proof. This is the dumbest blog. Check your facts. If you want to help the abortion cause do the research. You sound like you’re a 15 yr. old arguing with their parents about curfew…Dumb…78,000 die from unsafe abortions each year all while abortion has been legal? Are you kidding me? Even if it was true, you’re using that as an argument for abortion? Pull your head out and tell your civic teacher to come up with some real help before launching out on your class project.

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    • Anonymous

      Besides skipping the crux of the matter you provided little proof instead attacking the reputation of pro-lifers, even if they are all obsessed with being rich and powerful how does that change the facts of their argument?

    • Ismaila Singley

      I am prochoice too.

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    • angel

      I have had two abortions. None which I regret. They were the best decisions I have ever made. A fetus in the firdt few trimesters is not a child. If you brought a fetus that is 9 weeks outside of the womb would it in any way survive? Absolutely not. How in any way is that a child? Personhood does not start at conception. Abortion is legal for a reason and that will not change. The world is moving forward, NOT backwards. Sorry, actually I’m not. The only thing I’m sorry about is that it took so long to legalize abortion, sorry that thousands of women died because they didnt have access to safe abortions.

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      • Tianna_Maria

        Studies showing fetus
        development in the womb show that just after one month the “baby” has already
        begun to form its brain, as well it has a spinal cord now officially in place.
        At two months all of the baby’s main organs have started to form and it has
        fingers, toes, and bumps on either side of his head that are early ears. At month three the baby is now
        technically called a fetus and about the size of a grape. All of the organ systems are
        now in place and the baby may squint, open her mouth, and flex fingers and
        toes. Because the fetus is still relatively small, the mother won’t feel this
        movement…but that does not mean that it is not happening. Just after three months since conception all
        these changes and formation is taking place inside the womb…the baby is
        developing…its LIFE has started.

    • Vaspasian

      A fetus is not a human being. Before birth, and therefore without something to be relative to, no one is “alive.” The real problem with the lifer argument is that they claim victory based on “ideological” arguments. Neither Lifers of Choicers are “correct,” but there is no place in American democracy for religious legislation.

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    • Tyler

      Concerning the “Mass of Cells Debate” I believe once the sperm has fertilized the egg then is should be considered a human child. This is mainly do to the fact that the first domino has been set into motion (fertilization) and if the zygote implants itself in the womb then it WILL in time become a fully grown human child unless complications occur. Where as simple human sperm or eggs by them selves will NEVER become a child unless they are introduced to one another for fertilization. So I hope that can end the argument of comparing a condom to murder because there is no possibility of a child.
      P.S. I am not a medical professorial by any means nor do I have a professional understanding of the growth of a fetus.

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    • Cam

      10. A fair point, and one of the few that makes me reluctantly pro-choice.
      9. I agree, but these methods are not mutually exclusive from a ban on abortion.
      8. Here your points start to fall apart. This one in particular is completely irrelevant; it’s a red herring.
      7. This seems to be an unwarranted and crude attack on Christianity and religion as a whole. Regardless, it is irrelevant as well. It also makes the assumption that everyone that thinks abortion is morally reprehensible must be a Christian. I am not religious and I believe abortion is unsupportable based entirely on ethics… it’s a field of philosophy, maybe you’ve heard of it.
      6. The logical fallacies continue, this time with a slippery slope argument.
      5. I would reject this claim outright as being patently FALSE and unsupportable by evidence. There have been a multitude of polls conducted; in some, men were slightly more pro-life, while in others, women were. In all cases the difference was only by a few percentage points;
      4. It’s definitely easier to be sympathetic to a rape victim getting an abortion, but in the end the issue for many who find abortion unethical is whether or not it is justifiable to end a human life just because that life is the product of rape.
      3. See number 9. Contraceptives and proper education do a better job preventing unwanted children than abortions.
      2. In the very rare case that a woman faces a high risk of death as the result of pregnancy, abortion may be a permissible option, ethically speaking, as it preserves an existing life at the expense of a potential life (and depending on the situation, the unborn child may not survive anyways).
      1. It is not illogical or foolish. A Government’s laws reflect the ethics of the society it represents. There is a long history of government restrictions on issues of medical ethics. Non-maleficence, eugenics, cloning, euthanasia, confidentiality requirements, etc.

    • Terri

      You don’t mention any of the negative consequences both physical and psychological from having ones child aborted. A young friend of mine is permanently in pain as a result. These after-effects are rarely mentioned. Why?

      • Dido

        That is why one has a choice whether they want to go through with an abortion or not. They are not being forced to do it.

    • Mary

      Whether or not a fetus is a human depends on your personal opinion.

    • Jaebee

      It seems rather dumb to make preeclampsia a reason for abortion. While it does affect 10-15% of women, not in the severity you’re giving it. It’s just high blood pressure. While it can result in severe problems, it’s rare. Also, the argument of birth control does not directly relate to abortion. I’m assuming you’re considering all republicans to share all beliefs, which is rarely the case. I have no conflict, personally, with birth control being available to anyone who needs it regardless of income. You’re correct that if more people got on board with that, then several abortions wouldn’t happen. If a woman was raped, she could simply go to the local pharmacy and take Plan B as soon as she could. (I’m aware that like all birth controls, it’s not 100%) I’ve been the girl whose calling up friends to borrow money because she made a mistake last night- the prices are steep! I’m all for stopping abortions before they happen. However, in your own entry, you portray the same emotion – showing that you feel the need for an abortion not to “need to” happen. So, I can only assume you yourself see the moral dilemma. Lets take religion out of it. If you were to murder a man, would you get away with it just because you don’t follow a religion? Could you say, “I don’t follow a religion where killing is a sin, therefore I can kill?” No, because in this country we make laws out of morality. So religion is not required to argue the point. Once an egg has been fertilized, it is a life.

    • sara

      I bet Abortion will be like slavery was in a few years. Everyone knew it was wrong, but were to scared to live without it. There will be history books saying, ‘The worst mistake our country ever made, legalizing Abortion. Worse than slavery. It will be the horror of the world. 3,500 babies were killed a DAY.’ LET YOUR BABY LIVE!!!

    • Kateri

      I notice everyone says, “It’s a womans right to choose if she wants to abort her baby.” How about a womans right to be born?

      Everyone who supported slavery was free.
      Everyone who supports abortion is already born.
      That’s how OPPRESSION works.

    • FreedomofChoice

      If you’re a dude you shouldn’t even be allowed to comment right now I mean really..
      all these people complaining about abortions down here are dudes.

    • Brandon flood hater

      Brandon flood lol ur a hypocritical fucktard. I’ve read all the posts and the only thing you’ve done is be a mitt romney and flip flop. While SOME of your arguements may be valid, your going about the wrong way. Telling people to shut up and calling people whores even if they are trolling makes you look like a dumbass. Just for future reference. Lol

    • jg123

      I’m a law student…
      From a purely legal standpoint, the legalization of abortion contradicts
      otherwise unchallenged homicide laws:
      - If a pregnant woman is murdered while she is pregnant, the
      murderer is guilty of double-homicide, regardless of the age of the fetus.
      - If a pregnant woman survives an assault, and she
      miscarries, the attacker is guilty of murder, regardless of the age of the
      fetus.
      - If a person recklessly collides with a pregnant woman, and
      she miscarries, that person is guilty of manslaughter, regardless of the age of
      the fetus.

      It’s also interesting to point out that the law gives
      property rights to fetuses and “human clumps of cells.” In other words, you can write a human fetus into your will at the moment it’s conceived; the law treats that human fetus
      the same way human adults are treated. In contrast, you can’t write a tree sapling into your will because even
      though it’s a living clump of cells, it lacks human DNA and is therefore not human. Thus, (ii) the law traditionally protects
      living clumps of human cells, and (ii) does not care whether a human is at the “clump of cells,” fetal, or adult stage…it will be treated equally upon creation.

      Also, being a law student I should address #7 above. Religious ideology actually is the foundation of virtually all modern law.
      American laws derive from England’s “common law.” “Common law” derives from Roman law. Roman law derives from Canon Law. Canon Law was created by the Catholic Church, borrowing from Judeo-Christian law and a little ancient Greek law. Most notably the Ten Commandments have impacted virtually all legal systems: Don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t lie, etc. But in America the law does not force people to worship God, nor does it ban the worship of God. That is religious freedom.

      Slavery existed not long ago in the U.S…an evil period in
      history when dark-skinned people were considered sub-human animals that white-skinned people could abuse, kill, buy and sell. Slave-owners believed slavery was moral; they
      even went to war to defend such evil. History has revealed how misguided and immoral they were. Abortion is our generation’s slavery, and there is no satisfactory way of explaining its immorality to those who attempt to justify it. They are prisoners of failed logic and a vain attempt at self-empowerment. Abortion is not empowering. Giving life is empowering. They are determined to devalue the human dignity of the unborn, but fail to see their folly: they’re simultaneously devaluing their own human worth. The Devil makes fools of so many.

      • Ahhhhh

        Abortion has been happening pre – BC…sorry bud, but no matter what laws were put in place after the fact is not going to change that women are going to do… whatever they are going to do. Call me AFTER you pass the Bar. ;)

        • http://www.facebook.com/hiram.d.johnson Hiram Davis Johnson

          That’s just insulting…and just because cannibalism happened pre-BC doesn’t mean we’re still doing it, does it?

    • Gabrielle

      i would just like to say one thing– # 7 “Religious ideology is no foundation for any law. ” I think that you should look into this topic a little more before making such a statement. Research has revealed that several founding fathers of this very country had “religious ideology”, and even began the first continental congress meeting with prayer. In addition, “immoral” does not seem an appropriate word to use in reference to religion affecting law, considering immoral, by definition, means violating moral principles; this does not make much sense when religion concerns morals, so how would this be “violating moral principles”?

      In addition, I am wondering what you mean by this statement: “laws that declare it is legal to sell one’s daughter, rape someone, or keep a person as a slave—all things that are promoted in religious text.” Where and in what religious text have you seen these laws, specifically, these laws being promoted? And, if you are suggesting the bible as I assume you are, I would like to know the references. I suggest you check your sources before you make statements as these, as there is a distinction between Old-testament laws and what Christians today believe and follow.

      • pier

        Gabrielle is correct on both parts.
        The author of this website has made many obvious false assumptions and relied on numerous half-truths.
        One example is the author’s attempt to make Religion “the bad guy.” The obvious false assumption is that only religious people think abortion is immoral. Obviously countless Non-religious people recognize that abortion is immoral! Just as countless Non-religious people recognize that slavery, murder, stealing, etc. is immoral! It’s not a “Religious ideology”; it’s a moral truth.
        The Bible is a library…a collection of books, historical accounts, parables, poems, prophesies, etc…there are many genres in the Bible. In some of the biblical stories there are accounts of war, violence, rape, and injustice. But just like a Time magazine or Wikipedia article, it’s just explaining what happened thousands of years ago, not endorsing immoral behavior.
        Food for thought: if women should have the right to kill an unborn child when it’s “a clump of living cells,” should children have the right to desecrate women’s bodies when women die? In other words, when a woman dies she is literally “a large clump of DEAD cells,” so would it be immoral for children to decide to have their mother’s brains sucked out of their skulls through a tube in the same way a fetus’s brain is sucked out during an abortion?
        I think that would be immoral even though the dead woman is a large dead clump of cells. Likewise, I think abortion is immoral, even though for a brief period the baby is a cluster of living cells.

    • pier
    • mark

      You say most people who are against abortion wont ever become pregnant. That is simply not true to begin with. And men have a say, because guess what, men are just as likely to be born as women. Have you ever heard of survivors of abortion? Have you ever heard of women having the children as opposed to killing them? Have you heard of regret? Abortion and contraception was created by men in order to use women sexually without the “consequences” of pregnancy. As far as special interests, look deeper into the abortion industry and the business of making huge profits off of killing babies in the family planning centers. The motto of the pro choice movement is not “women’s rights of reproduction”, it is “having sex with men, and covering it up by killing babies”. Should there be a law that allows you to kill people to cover up your mistakes? Life would be a lot easier if I didn’t have to clean the house after moving out, or if I went over my minutes on my cellphone, or traffic tickets? It could be solved easy enough by killing the people who bring it to my attention that I’ve made a mistake. And for the small percent of rape and incest, many women regret having abortions even in those cases. Religions tries to address these problems of sexual impurity. Rape, incest, and promiscuous sex are all symptoms of some deeper issues which result in abortions. Religion tries to address these.

      • For Your Information

        I’d like to notify you that even God creates abortions, in the form of miscarriages. Also, men didn’t create abortion “in order to use women sexually without the ‘consequences’ of pregnancy,” as you, uh, elegantly put it. In fact, men most likely did not even create abortion or contraception. This practice has been going on for hundreds of years, with or without the consent of a man. This comment is extremely disrespectful to women. It is the ignorant type of comment one would expect to hear from a male chauvinist pig.

    • ASG

      Well lets get a bit deeper into what exactly makes a human human. A human isnt human because they have the genetic and biological make up of a human. No what seperates humans from other animals, and what gives those humans a right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness is in fact concious thought. This defines us and makes us sentient thinking beings cabale of not only grasping the concept of life and death, but also makes us capable of understanding the world and the ideas in the world. There are 4 types of living thing that cant do this, those are bateria, plants, animals, and a human fetus.

      • Kat

        I’m sorry to inform you that bacteria and plants do not have a brain. Therefore, they are not capable of conscious thought. In regards to animals, many have a very small amount of intelligence, and this is in no way comparable to human intelligence. Except in the case of chimpanzees and other complex and intelligent beings. As for a human fetus, it is not capable of conscious thought while it is an embryo, which is when abortion would occur. Before you post ignorant comments, you should really research your topic and not just make something up and add fancy words to make you sound intelligent. Just a heads up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/katherine.a.chavez Katie Chavez

      1) #7 is funny, because the whole premise of division of church and state is a christian premise.

      most of the other arguments are against the people who believe and fight for these things, not really any evidence actually supporting abortion.

      … am I the only one who sees that the whole argument is a stretch and pro-choice is starting to resemble pro-slavery arguments in addressing how human a human is?? A human is HUMAN, PERIOD. So this particular human makes your life difficult. You can’t just kill every human that does that, and it’s especially wrong to kill your own offspring that can’t even defend itself.
      Southern doctors had all kinds of arguments as to why african americans were unequal to whites… DOCTORS found them medically unequal. So really. It’s quite simple. HUMAN IS HUMAN. It’s not just cells… like a mole or something. You’re removing it because it will be a human. Now if it’s proven that these cells will kill you, then by all means, remove them… but, don’t just haphazardly kill.
      And as for the “this will happen anyway, so let’s just make it safe” argument. Murder is inherently dangerous… I wish I could take some jerk that cut me off in traffic to the murder store and drop him off and wipe my hands. It would be a lot safer than me going and trying to kill him… knowing that I might face jail time, or they might fight back and I’ll get injured/killed in the process.
      Murder happens anyway… there’s no reason to open a murder clinic to keep it safer.

      Women have rights and we also have the honor of making babies. Men have the honor of fighting wars (mostly). So our lives aren’t bubble-wrapped in equality. Things don’t always go your way. You can’t go around killing people to make it better. JEEZ!

    • josh

      who cares about abortion…shit happens…

    • cathie

      abortion it’s killing it’s illegal after birth why is it legal before killing is killing and it’s worst because you are killing an inocent baby I know they say it’s a woman’s right but what about the baby’s right

    • Dan

      This is one of the most pathetic defenses of abortion I have read yet. Did a teenage girl write this?

      10) Laws against murder don’t stop murder, it doesn’t mean we should make it legal. Idiot’s argument.

      9) Not even an argument for abortion, just and idea of what people should do.

      8) Again, not an argument for abortion, just obvious comment. News flash BTW, people are only after self-interest, which is why we accept the risk ending a life that is possibly human in exchange for 9 months of convenience.

      7) Once again, not even addressing an issue in this argument. . .

      6) This goes both ways.If you can decided who/what is human and who/what is not, what is to stop you from deciding a one year old is not human? Or a slave? Or a jew?

      5) Most people who are against rape will never become rapists. Another irrelevant fact.

      4) Rape and incest make up less than 2% of abortions. Why are you even bringing this into the argument? Laws are made based on the exception cases.

      3) The first legitimate argument in this whole article. However, it misses the main argument here which is when does life start.

      2) No one is seriously arguing that when a woman’s life is at risk that abortions she be illegal. I completely agree that in these cases abortions are appropriate. But again, these are the exceptions.

      1) This is an opinion and again, misses the whole basis of the pro-life argument.

      Next time you decide to make a list of arguments, try checking our the counter arguments first. You completely ignored every main issue in this debate.

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    • Nicole

      Arguing about what constitutes life at whatever stage in development is moot…abortion is not and will not be going anywhere…there has been evidence of abortions occurring since 1760….BC! Shouldn’t we have solved this problem by now? I mean, it’s only been happening since the beginning of time. If a woman wants to abort that bad, she will find a way. Coat hangers, back alley Doctors, potentially deadly cocktails to induce contractions… And “God” aborts “babies” too, the technical term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion. Uh oh!

    • Rosie

      I hate when they say abortion is murder. The fetus is not actually alive yet. It’s not a person, although it could be. It merely has potential. Do you know what else has potential? The 400,000 eggs god gave me. Each one of those eggs could not be fertilized, its impossible. God made it impossible….. I do hope this made sense, I’m rather young- Rosie

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    • Kat

      It seems like most people on here are just thinking about what constitutes a living being or not- an embryo, or an actual, born child? That is simply a matter of opinion, and we could waste years arguing our opinion, because nobody will want to listen to anyone’s opinion but their own. Although this is a huge part of the pro-life/pro-choice debate, we have to think beyond that. Thinking logically, why don’t we compare what would happen if the woman continued with the pregnancy vs. if she had an abortion. If she continued with the pregnancy, she would spend nine months of her life with this unborn being growing inside her. If she was raped, these nine months would only serve as a lengthy and cruel reminder of her rape. She should not have to endure more psychological abuse than she has already suffered. If she was a teenager, many of her schoolmates would bully her, likely calling her a whore or other inappropriate names. Even if she had simply made a mistake, but did not want or would be able to care for a child, she would still be forced to endure these nine months. During pregnancy, she herself could die, or even the child, due to complications. If it is a normal pregnancy, she will still be forced to go through extreme pain, the likes of which no man can begin to comprehend. If she is a teenager, this pain and complications would be much worse, as most female teenage bodies would not be fully developed and ready for child-birth at this point in their lives. Is it fair to put these women through this suffering and hardship? If they were raped, it was not their fault. If they had unprotected sex, it was their fault, but it was a mistake that they woman should not have to pay for with nine months or even the rest of her life. If she had protected sex, but their method of protection did not work, it is again not their fault, as becoming pregnant was obviously not the woman’s intention. If the woman did not intend nor wanted to become pregnant, why should we take it upon ourselves to judge her actions or force her through the pregnancy? That is simply ridiculous. After birth, the child will most likely be put in foster care or become adopted. However, is living your life in foster care going to be a happy existence? No. Even if you are adopted, you will have to deal with the fact that your foster parents are not your real parents, and your real parents were forced to have you against their will. Do we, as Americans, truly want to make the amount of children living under federal care any higher than it already is? If the child is kept, the unwilling mother or parents will have to somehow scrape up some money to buy things for their baby. Some will not be able to pay for this. That is not fair to the parents or child.

      On the other hand, if the mother decides to get an abortion, she will not have to go through the difficult pain and suffering of child-birth. She will not have to decide to give the child up for abortion or to keep it. She would not have to somehow find money to keep that child alive if she were to keep it. The mother would not have to be ashamed to walk out of the house, knowing her peers might make rude comments about her. If she was raped, she will not have to deal with the constant reminder of that event. She will not have to spend nine months of her life on something she’d rather not have at all. She will be able to lead a normal life once more.

      Although many of us think only of if it is morally right to “murder” an unborn child, we must also think if it is morally right to sacrifice the mother’s own happiness and even survival in the process. She might be forced to throw her whole life away for a baby she never wanted. Is that fair? Some may say it is not fair that we would kill a dependent being. They say every human has the right to life. However, is it morally right to force another human being through so much pain, especially if it was not by choice? No. Regardless of the child’s own rights, which would be based on opinion alone, we must think of the mother’s rights as well. The unborn being in the mother’s stomach is, by the time she has an abortion, unable to function independently of the mother. Therefore, it does not have the same value in society as its mother, because it can’t survive on its own. If it were born at the same time it would’ve been aborted, it couldn’t survive. If it can live on its own, without another human being, how can we possibly give it the same rights as someone who is self-sustainable.That would be like giving two-year olds the right to vote- they would not know how to handle that situation, anymore than the unborn baby would be able to survive if born when it was to be aborted. Also, the unborn being has the POTENTIAL to grow into a fully functioning and capable human. However, it is not even close to that stage at the time of abortion. Until that time, it should not have the same rights as a born human.

    • TJ

      my thing is the abortion should only be on the table if #’s 4,3, and 2 are the cause. thoguh change 2 to where it also includes someone not wanting to force their child to live with a major birth defect. if those are the reasons then any time is the right time but if they are not then they should only be allowed to do it before what ever time the brain starts to function

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    • z-man

      Why not just give birth and give the baby to a orphanage?

      • belgianchic

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    • Nick

      I Don’t understand when people say “sperm cells die every time a man ejaculates or “It’s just a cluster of cells, and cells die every day, so why is this different”. Firstly, yes it is true that sperm cells die every time a man jizzes but that only furthers my point. That sperm beat millions of other sperm cells and you get to take that away.

      It’s different when you kill a baby because cells dying is a natural process of life. Killing the unborn child inside a woman isn’t the most natural process.

    • meh

      Here’s a test:

      I’m holding a baby in one hand and a petri dish holding a fetus in the other.

      I’m going to drop one. You chose which.

      If you really truly believe a fetus is the same thing as a baby, it should be impossible for you to decide. You should have to flip a coin, that’s how impossible the decision should be.

      Shot in the dark, you saved the baby.

      Because you’re aware there’s a difference.

      Now admit it.

    • Been There Did It

      Tell me thedifference between aborting a “known” deformed fetus with terminal conditions vs. the terminally ill and DNR ? NOTHING…its a choice and regardless, both are/will be alive..?

    • For the truly vulnerable ones

      In all of the 10 arguments addressed, is there any consideration taken for the unborn? Women who choose to put themselves in this situation should think about all the responsibilities involved. And for the ones out there that will ask the question of, “What about the women who don’t that didn’t have a choice?” There is ALWAYS hopefull adpotive couples!!!

    • ryan

      you talk a lot about sexual abuse, why don’t you consider shoving a clothes hanger in a woman’s womb, using it to cut a potential human being into pieces, crushing its skull and sucking it out with a vacuum cleaner something of the same or even more sinister ideals? I dare say that the abortion sounds even more disturbing than the rape. I also notice how you discredit the opposition in paragraph seven-nine with overgeneralizations, for example: all pro-life advocates have never been raped, all spend too much money campaigning, and that they claim to love children when they don’t. These are unfounded logical fallacies. Discrediting opposition with falsities is a good method when arguing among friends who all support you, but it’s a whole new game when you are trying to persuade.

    • ton

      what about the choice the choice to live. not everyone believes that a god will take their life. many have different designs and plans. there should be no intereference for a consentual death outing

    • Guest

      The embryo is still a human. Even if it does not look like one. It is just at a different stage of development. A 2 year old and a 20 year old do not look the same because they are at different stages of development

    • timbit_queen

      What a complete idiotic article!

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